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万宝鹈鹕鸟

<u><font color="#800080"><p><u><font color="#800080"></font></u>看来此贴又有点龙鸟之争的苗头了。不少笔友谈到龙时喜用"王者"一词，估计心目中以为龙的最低档次至少也是146，149，谈鸟的不足是以坛中多见的M100、M150、M200、M400为对象。我在这里提请大家在做比较时能选准比较对象，不要上马对下马，建议对比下列两组价格差不多的龙和鸟：</p></font></u><u><font color="#800080"></font></u>看来此贴又有点龙鸟之争的苗头了。不少笔友谈到龙时喜用"王者"一词，估计心目中以为龙的最低档次至少也是146，149，谈鸟的不足是以坛中多见的M100、M150、M200、M400为对象。我在这里提请大家在做比较时能选准比较对象，不要上马对下马，建议对比下列两组价格差不多的龙和鸟：<p>1，龙的新古典（New Classic）vs. 鸟的M400，公价分别为199欧元对175欧元，论坛价格也差不多相当，</p><p>2，龙的145肖邦vs. 鸟的M800，公价分别为360欧元对330欧元，论坛价格也差不多相当。</p><p>价格在3，4000之上的龙，鸟风格不同，没有可比性，价格在新古典之下的龙没有，所以鸟的M100、M150、M200没有相应比较对象。</p><p>我反感有些笔友说坛上爱鸟是因为版主或几个老鸟喜欢这种武断的说法，很多事情公平的对比后就能一目了然。另外我本人也不是铁杆鸟迷，现时手上的万宝龙钢笔中大班就不下20支，纯银146有5支，全套文豪限量，所以感觉说起龙时，还能说得上几句话的。</p><p>在谈及派克Duofold和M800做工的时候也请想想如果把相同的钱，一个都用在笔杆和笔帽制作上，另外一个要分一部分给需精密加工的黄铜活塞，光比外观也不算太公平。再加派克Duofold的选材很好，几乎是大牌旗舰系列里面最好的，也对得起它的价格。<br/><a href="http://cgi.ebay.de/10-Stangen-Siegellack-Siegelwachs-Banklack-alle-Farben_W0QQitemZ300063924122QQihZ020QQcategoryZ30722QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem"></a></p>

韦伯猫

老万看问题就是赞

duofoldest

<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">买</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">pelikan,</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">请把握几个原则</span><font face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;">,</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black;"><p></p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">1.M800</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">细尖的</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">(ef,f)</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">不要买</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">不管甚么年代产品</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black;"><p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">2.所有</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">2000</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">年以后产的</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">pelikan,”</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">通通</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">”</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">不要买</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black;"><p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">3.M800</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">评价高的为</span><font face="Times New Roman"><chmetcnv wst="on" tcsc="0" numbertype="1" negative="False" hasspace="False" sourcevalue="14" unitname="C"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;">14c</span></chmetcnv><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"> &amp; <chmetcnv wst="on" tcsc="0" numbertype="1" negative="False" hasspace="False" sourcevalue="18" unitname="C">18c</chmetcnv> pf-mark</span></font><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">这两种笔尖不难找</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">不必在其它笔尖上下功夫</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">浪费钱</span><font face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;">!!</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black;"><p></p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">4.M600</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">评价高的为单色尖</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">双色尖中看不中用</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black;"><p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black;"><p><font face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;</font></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">要细尖请买大</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">duofold,</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">便宜又好写</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">,…..</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">小</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">duofold</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">偶尔会断水</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">虽然机率不大</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">但钱要花就一次到位</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black;"><p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">要中尖</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">(m,b)</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">买</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">pelikan,</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">原因</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">:</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">价钱中等</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">质量不输</span><font face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;">MB</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black;"><p></p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">粗尖要选</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">MB,</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">总觉得粗尖要软点</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">韧点才够味</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">!!pelikan</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">也可以啦</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">但别选</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">duofold</font></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black;"><p></p></span></p>

lava

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>万宝鹈鹕鸟</i>在2007-1-1 1:14:27的发言：</b><br/><u><font color="#800080"><p><u><font color="#800080"></font></u>看来此贴又有点龙鸟之争的苗头了。不少笔友谈到龙时喜用"王者"一词，估计心目中以为龙的最低档次至少也是146，149，谈鸟的不足是以坛中多见的M100、M150、M200、M400为对象。我在这里提请大家在做比较时能选准比较对象，不要上马对下马，建议对比下列两组价格差不多的龙和鸟：</p></font></u><u><font color="#800080"></font></u>看来此贴又有点龙鸟之争的苗头了。不少笔友谈到龙时喜用"王者"一词，估计心目中以为龙的最低档次至少也是146，149，谈鸟的不足是以坛中多见的M100、M150、M200、M400为对象。我在这里提请大家在做比较时能选准比较对象，不要上马对下马，建议对比下列两组价格差不多的龙和鸟：<p>1，龙的新古典（New Classic）vs. 鸟的M400，公价分别为199欧元对175欧元，论坛价格也差不多相当，</p><p>2，龙的145肖邦vs. 鸟的M800，公价分别为360欧元对330欧元，论坛价格也差不多相当。</p><p>价格在3，4000之上的龙，鸟风格不同，没有可比性，价格在新古典之下的龙没有，所以鸟的M100、M150、M200没有相应比较对象。</p><p>我反感有些笔友说坛上爱鸟是因为版主或几个老鸟喜欢这种武断的说法，很多事情公平的对比后就能一目了然。另外我本人也不是铁杆鸟迷，现时手上的万宝龙钢笔中大班就不下20支，纯银146有5支，全套文豪限量，所以感觉说起龙时，还能说得上几句话的。</p><p>在谈及派克Duofold和M800做工的时候也请想想如果把相同的钱，一个都用在笔杆和笔帽制作上，另外一个要分一部分给需精密加工的黄铜活塞，光比外观也不算太公平。再加派克Duofold的选材很好，几乎是大牌旗舰系列里面最好的，也对得起它的价格。<br/><a href="http://cgi.ebay.de/10-Stangen-Siegellack-Siegelwachs-Banklack-alle-Farben_W0QQitemZ300063924122QQihZ020QQcategoryZ30722QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem"></a></p></div>不愧是老万 其实我说的是不太客观 我是用145和200的对比 有机会一定上鸟的800，其实大家无论偏好什么 都是很主观的东西，毕竟只要真正经手之后 才能知道自己的需要是什么？路漫漫其修远兮，吾将为钢笔而上下求索，呵呵 祝大家新年快乐！

kakadou

普通人民大众来坛之前都没见过鸟嘛。

[此贴子已经被作者于2007-1-1 13:13:59编辑过]

zongtong

被你们搞晕了,到底百利金怎么样啊?[em06][em06]

92157955

没见过就买吧，最多亏一点再出咯。

JackBauer

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>万宝鹈鹕鸟</i>在2007-1-1 1:14:27的发言：</b><br/><u><font color="#800080"><p><u><font color="#800080"></font></u>看来此贴又有点龙鸟之争的苗头了。不少笔友谈到龙时喜用"王者"一词，估计心目中以为龙的最低档次至少也是146，149，谈鸟的不足是以坛中多见的M100、M150、M200、M400为对象。我在这里提请大家在做比较时能选准比较对象，不要上马对下马，建议对比下列两组价格差不多的龙和鸟：</p></font></u><u><font color="#800080"></font></u>看来此贴又有点龙鸟之争的苗头了。不少笔友谈到龙时喜用"王者"一词，估计心目中以为龙的最低档次至少也是146，149，谈鸟的不足是以坛中多见的M100、M150、M200、M400为对象。我在这里提请大家在做比较时能选准比较对象，不要上马对下马，建议对比下列两组价格差不多的龙和鸟： <p>1，龙的新古典（New Classic）vs. 鸟的M400，公价分别为199欧元对175欧元，论坛价格也差不多相当，</p><p>2，龙的145肖邦vs. 鸟的M800，公价分别为360欧元对330欧元，论坛价格也差不多相当。</p><p>价格在3，4000之上的龙，鸟风格不同，没有可比性，价格在新古典之下的龙没有，所以鸟的M100、M150、M200没有相应比较对象。</p><p>我反感有些笔友说坛上爱鸟是因为版主或几个老鸟喜欢这种武断的说法，很多事情公平的对比后就能一目了然。另外我本人也不是铁杆鸟迷，现时手上的万宝龙钢笔中大班就不下20支，纯银146有5支，全套文豪限量，所以感觉说起龙时，还能说得上几句话的。</p><p>在谈及派克Duofold和M800做工的时候也请想想如果把相同的钱，一个都用在笔杆和笔帽制作上，另外一个要分一部分给需精密加工的黄铜活塞，光比外观也不算太公平。再加派克Duofold的选材很好，几乎是大牌旗舰系列里面最好的，也对得起它的价格。<br/><a href="http://cgi.ebay.de/10-Stangen-Siegellack-Siegelwachs-Banklack-alle-Farben_W0QQitemZ300063924122QQihZ020QQcategoryZ30722QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem"></a></p></div><p>老万出马，一个顶一把</p>

月无痕

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>duofoldest</i>在2007-1-1 2:46:12的发言：</b><br/><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">买</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">pelikan,</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">请把握几个原则</span><font face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;">,</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black;"><p></p></span></font></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">1.M800</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">细尖的</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">(ef,f)</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">不要买</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">不管甚么年代产品</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black;"><p></p></span></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">2.所有</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">2000</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">年以后产的</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">pelikan,”</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">通通</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">”</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">不要买</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black;"><p></p></span></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">3.M800</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">评价高的为</span><font face="Times New Roman"><chmetcnv unitname="C" sourcevalue="14" hasspace="False" negative="False" numbertype="1" tcsc="0" wst="on"></chmetcnv><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;">14c</span><chmetcnv></chmetcnv><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"> &amp; <chmetcnv unitname="C" sourcevalue="18" hasspace="False" negative="False" numbertype="1" tcsc="0" wst="on"></chmetcnv>18c<chmetcnv></chmetcnv> pf-mark</span></font><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">这两种笔尖不难找</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">不必在其它笔尖上下功夫</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">浪费钱</span><font face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;">!!</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black;"><p></p></span></font></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">4.M600</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">评价高的为单色尖</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">双色尖中看不中用</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black;"><p></p></span></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black;"><p><font face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;</font></p></span></p><p><font face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;</font></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">要细尖请买大</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">duofold,</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">便宜又好写</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">,…..</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">小</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">duofold</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">偶尔会断水</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">虽然机率不大</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">但钱要花就一次到位</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black;"><p></p></span></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">要中尖</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">(m,b)</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">买</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">pelikan,</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">原因</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">:</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">价钱中等</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">质量不输</span><font face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;">MB</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black;"><p></p></span></font></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">粗尖要选</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">MB,</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">总觉得粗尖要软点</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">韧点才够味</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">!!pelikan</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">也可以啦</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">但别选</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">duofold</font></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black;"><p></p></span></p><p></p><p></p></div><p>经典！收藏！</p>

slaoao

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>duofoldest</i>在2007-1-1 2:46:12的发言：</b><br/><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">买</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">pelikan,</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">请把握几个原则</span><font face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;">,</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black;"><p></p></span></font></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">1.M800</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">细尖的</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">(ef,f)</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">不要买</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">不管甚么年代产品</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black;"><p></p></span></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">2.所有</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">2000</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">年以后产的</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">pelikan,”</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">通通</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">”</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">不要买</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black;"><p></p></span></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">3.M800</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">评价高的为</span><font face="Times New Roman"><chmetcnv unitname="C" sourcevalue="14" hasspace="False" negative="False" numbertype="1" tcsc="0" wst="on"></chmetcnv><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;">14c</span><chmetcnv></chmetcnv><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"> &amp; <chmetcnv unitname="C" sourcevalue="18" hasspace="False" negative="False" numbertype="1" tcsc="0" wst="on"></chmetcnv>18c<chmetcnv></chmetcnv> pf-mark</span></font><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">这两种笔尖不难找</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">不必在其它笔尖上下功夫</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">浪费钱</span><font face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;">!!</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black;"><p></p></span></font></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">4.M600</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">评价高的为单色尖</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">双色尖中看不中用</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black;"><p></p></span></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black;"><p><font face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;</font></p></span></p><p><font face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;</font></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">要细尖请买大</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">duofold,</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">便宜又好写</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">,…..</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">小</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">duofold</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">偶尔会断水</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">虽然机率不大</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">但钱要花就一次到位</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black;"><p></p></span></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">要中尖</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">(m,b)</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">买</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">pelikan,</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">原因</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">:</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">价钱中等</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">质量不输</span><font face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;">MB</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black;"><p></p></span></font></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">粗尖要选</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">MB,</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">总觉得粗尖要软点</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">韧点才够味</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">!!pelikan</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">也可以啦</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">但别选</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;"><font face="Times New Roman">duofold</font></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black;"><p></p></span></p><p></p><p></p></div><p><font size="3">1,小鸟宽尖比细尖做的好.</font>
        </p><p><font size="3">2,市场上大部分小鸟都是2000之后生产的,枪毙80%以上新鸟.</font>
        </p><p><font size="3">3,14C和18C PF的800新尖,在NIB.COM好找,但价格不比MB低.不知道其它好找的地方在哪里?</font>
        </p><p><font size="3">4,新600都是双色尖,老600只有酒红的是18C单色尖,很少,仅89一年生产,新笔价格能炒过146.</font>
        </p><p><font size="3">5,豆腐笔尖以硬闻名,派克以添加铑为卖点,但有人评价豆腐手感硬到和中性笔一样,和鸟尖完全不同风格,没有替代性.豆腐是派克顶级,还用转换器!"高级"树脂一次成型,华而不实.</font>
        </p><p><font size="3">6,2000年以前的,14C或18C PF 800 尖,或18C单色的600尖,大小要B,M的.价格不超过MB,D兄真有眼光,希望帮忙找点新尖,造福论坛XDJM.</font></p>

LJun

楼上有点抬杠了，哈哈。。

superqmh

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>万宝鹈鹕鸟</i>在2006-12-31 23:08:09的发言：</b><br/><p>交易区鸟多估计是因为性价平和，有价有市才交易频繁。我也有不少龙可出，但看到小花猪那帖里的精品龙无人问津，遂知此坛中龙笔难出，爱龙者古有叶公，今有望梅一族。老兄铁杆龙迷，年底巨款不也只求了一支小查？</p></div><p>都等你出手呢。</p>

benben

<p>只买一只好笔的话，就是龙啦。</p><p>玩笔的话，多买龙，少买鸟。</p><p>我是龙、鸟都有，信我啦。</p>

slaoao

<p><font size="4">豆腐做为派克顶级,3大名笔之一,是我一直想买的笔.但有3个问题,我无法接受.</font></p><p><font size="4">1,坚硬的笔尖,写纸要用力,手腕紧张,手感和中性笔类似.个人偏爱柔软尖,但有些XD可能更喜欢硬尖,所以笔尖软硬无好坏之分.</font></p><p><font size="4">2,从低级的钢尖到顶级的豆腐,一律廉价的转换器上水.</font></p><p><font size="4">3,做工华而不实.以M800做比较,M800外观不如豆腐做的精细,但笔身储墨本身对材料的要求很高.如果里面有1ML多墨水的笔身开裂,将是一场灾难.800的"普通"树脂比豆腐的"高级"树脂,承担了更多的责任.小鸟的做工更体现在笔尖更换上,像螺丝一样轻轻拧紧,没有防漏纸或橡胶垫,就是不漏水,可见零件密合程度有多高.更可贵的是,千千万万个生产日期相差几十年的鸟尖,鸟身全部吻合,不漏水.这需要什么样的加工精度.</font></p><p><font size="4">回头看看豆腐,把做工都花在外观,什么3环,"高级"树脂,一次切削.很失望...</font></p><p><font size="4"></font></p><p></p><p><font size="4"></font></p><p><font size="4">再扯点吉列集团给派,水定的公价.</font></p><p><font size="4">小查是18K笔尖,做工粗糙,论坛500左右的价格很值.但公价1700水分太大.</font></p><p><font size="4">大豆腐和146分别是派,龙的量产顶级,公价都在5000多,但折后价格,146在2500左右,大豆腐只有1500了.可以说豆腐超值.从定价分析,派克将豆腐公价定的和MB146差不多,自以为大豆腐和146是一个等级的笔,感觉良好,市场却给了豆腐一闷棍.</font></p>

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woodylee

我也覺得收筆的話,還是以MB為主,主要是服務跟的上,當然MONEY也要跟上,PELIKAN雖模組化好,活塞系統保養與維護比MB好,但筆尖的一致性就不如MB,我也發生過3次出墨問題....且筆尖設計也單調點,都一樣無變化,不過他的M800TOLEDO我很喜歡!

woodylee

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>slaoao</i>在2007-1-1 15:32:16的发言：</b><br/><p><font size="4">豆腐做为派克顶级,3大名笔之一,是我一直想买的笔.但有3个问题,我无法接受.....</font></p><br/></div><p></p><p>我只反對他的上墨系統!太廉價感!</p>非活塞與特殊上墨者,沒機械的技術拒買!

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slaoao

<p><font size="4">日用笔小鸟很有特色.但现代限量收藏笔,小鸟和龙的差距,像小学生和大学教授.</font></p>

flyyu

<p>[em06]报告各位老大</p><p>晕了,晕了&nbsp; </p><p>[em06]</p><p>想起有位仁兄说过,买了龙,如果感觉不好,那一定是自己的问题</p><p>所以直接上146咋样</p>

superqmh

<p>收笔还是德国的比较保险，Namiki也很保值。</p><p>elikan的toledo是肯定要买的.</p>

简单

楼主还是买一只自己试试吧。