颜色怪异的墨水，Diamine Umber

lacsylle

Umber这个颜色，字典上是赭石，土褐色，Wiki上的颜色图见这里（注：raw umber和umber是不是让你联想到什么？没错，小学用的颜料‘赭石’和‘熟褐’就是它们了。）但这瓶Diamine Umber的颜色，却无论如何无法和褐色搭上一丝关系。




瞧，Ubuntu的主题色就这么变成了暗绿。曾经怀疑过是瓶盖配错了，但网上的图片也是一样的颜色无误，真让人搞不明白。

这里顺便说一下我对Diamine彩色墨水的总评：流动性好，容易清洗，但颜色暗淡（这点或许不是，我只有这瓶‘赭石’和普鲁士蓝，都是暗色调），有点洇。另外总觉得浓度不够，写在纸上有种和纸融为一体的感觉，而不是非常鲜明的和纸区别开。个人并不是很适应这种风格，我还是喜欢浓墨重彩……

lacsylle

回复 26# rexpei

此潜艇的笔尖已经被我玩坏，后来自己把它削平再磨圆了，成为了斜尖，倒也很顺滑- -

rexpei

我在看字旁边的潜艇。

hiliu000

回复 24# lacsylle


    官网上用了“ matt charcoal”，但曾经看到他们的产品目录上，用过“umber”。

lacsylle

回复 23# hiliu000

貌似不是吧，哑光黑是matt black，兄有链接么？

hiliu000

好像Lamy自己把他们的SAFARI磨砂黑叫成“Umber”。。。

邱QQ

恩，有滿意的解釋就好

lacsylle

回复 19# 邱QQ

多谢，这个帖子我以前也看过，但我只看了主楼…………哈哈～

另外后面的回复里有人的链接指向这段话：

Raw umber has a greenish-brown masstone in which the green shows through well when used in thin layers such as watercolor washes. When used thickly, especially in oil paints, umber will look to be a very dark, almost black, cool toned brown. The problem with using pigment names to name inks is that pigments have very different properties when used in different ways, even if it is chemically the same compound.

An additional problem with a pigment such as umber is that it is traditionally an earth pigment, and unlike synthetics, they have a very wide range of properties and colors depending on where it came from. Earth pigments were traditionally derived from dirt and clay collected from various locales. Because of this, different umbers tended to have slightly differing properties.

Umber as a pigment is traditionally has a slightly greenish-brown mass-tone, and it seems that diamine umber was formulated to somewhat imitate unsaturated watercolor washes done with the pigment umber, rather than the same pigment densely saturated in, say, oil or acrylic, which the vast majority of people would think of when they imagine pigments and paints. The particular umber they compared it to probably had a slightly more green than is typical. Then again, the ones who named the colors could just have made a mistake.

   
我觉得这个解释更详尽。

lok

不错的墨水哦！看着图很有设计感。

邱QQ

回复 1# lacsylle

老外也討論過這個問題 [url]http://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=7317[/url]

可以參考下 The Writing Desk的Martin的說法
OK folks, here's the run-down:

Diamine Umber is made of a mixture of green and brown. However, as we have all seen, the green is dominant. According to Diamine, the origin of this blend is most likely to be a customer request as it isn't on their regular "shade card".

Diamine's recipes are really quite old so this particular customer request could have been made 100-years ago. Unfortunately, no records exist to give any further background as to its origin or naming.

Hope this helps.

Martin

御风行

难道是阳光充沛的下午某些岩绿色海岸巨石的阴影给人的视觉印象？

smallwind

真是很稳重、很漂亮的颜色啊。

若愚

回复 15# lacsylle


    好的

lacsylle

回复 14# 若愚

我在国外，邮寄不便。Diamine的小瓶只有30ml，容量也相当于标准的50ml的一半了，很袖珍。可以买一瓶试试。

若愚

楼主是否有考虑过将此墨水出让一半？我也想尝尝这颜色，只是想淘个新鲜，以我的写量一瓶估计足可以用超过一年，更何况已不止有一瓶了，但又不想整瓶购入。

lacsylle

回复 12# Bryce


   嘿，不错多谢。这样一来用这种颜色也就可以理解了：diamine认为影子是墨绿色？

Bryce

回复  Bryce


   牛津和韦氏都没有umber作‘阴影’的解释，求教
lacsylle 发表于 2011-1-4 23:29

    不过我还真在灵格斯上找到这个词方言等于umbra是阴影的意思，如图

Bryce

回复 10# lacsylle


    呃，我看错了，我看成umbra了...

lacsylle

回复 9# Bryce


   牛津和韦氏都没有umber作‘阴影’的解释，求教

Bryce

umber是阴影的意思，我觉得不一定指褐色吧。。。