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两支老Waterman对比--- 94 & Hundred year

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发表于 2006-10-18 17:36 | 只看该作者
<p>哦?原配的应该是啥模样的?</p>
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发表于 2006-10-24 10:12 | 只看该作者
图拍的好看.
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 楼主| 发表于 2006-10-17 18:19 | 只看该作者 回帖奖励 |倒序浏览 |阅读模式
<p>承Sky_r6慷慨,借给我几只赛璐璐老笔把玩,其中有一只Waterman 94,笔尖大而厚重,难得看到这么重料的笔尖,笔尖样式和我从汽水兄那里弄来的Waterman Hunderd year很相似,只是Hunderd year的笔尖下弯,比较奇特,同为Waterman的笔想看看具体不同,遂动了拆下笔尖仔细比较一下的念头,Sky_r6兄同意,就拆了,算是留下点资料,供喜欢老笔的同学参考。估计Sky_r6还在受龙卷风之灾中,不用参考了:-)</p><p>先看两支笔放在一起,Waterman Hunderd year是蓝色的,顶端有一小段透明的蓝色部分,具体材料不明,疑为聚丙烯酸类材料,不像赛璐璐。Waterman 94是墨绿色花色块赛璐璐材质。&nbsp;</p><p><br/></p><p>笔杆刻字<br/></p><p><br/></p><p>拆开<br/></p><p></p><p>笔颈处细节:94是黑色,材质不明,而Hunderd year是棕色,基本肯定为硬橡胶材质,</p><p></p><p>笔尾<br/></p><p></p><p></p><p><br/></p><p>笔帽顶</p><p></p><p>笔尖:上面的是94的笔尖,四号笔尖。下面的Hunderd year笔尖略大一点,正面照看不出下弯</p><p></p><p><br/>侧面对比就看出弯了,94的材料厚度几乎是Hunderd year的一倍</p><p><br/></p><br/><br/>
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 楼主| 发表于 2006-10-17 18:19 | 只看该作者
<p>笔尖与笔舌:右为Waterman94笔尖和配套笔舌,左为Hunderd year的笔尖和配套笔舌</p><p></p><p>笔舌侧面,上为Hunderd year笔舌,笔舌材料感觉是一样的,细节不同<br/></p><p>笔舌背面,上为Hunderd year笔舌<br/></p><p>右面Hunderd year笔舌<br/></p><p><br/>两支笔舌笔舌基本结构相同,只是打磨出来的形状和局部细节有不同。94笔舌末端为什么磨细还猜测不出原因,Hunderd year的笔舌稍长,比较简化,没有多开槽。</p><p>没有搞清楚Hunderd year为何采用向下弯的笔尖,希望有高人来解释。看这样的笔尖有些奇怪,感觉好像有些担心,而实际书写很顺畅,比94稍有一些弹性。94笔尖实在是太..强壮了,实际书写感觉:够硬!</p><p><strong><font size="1">漏了写</font></strong>,经过分析天平称量,Hunderd year的笔尖重<strong>0.5327</strong>克,而Waterman 94笔尖重<strong>0.8654</strong>克,是百年笔尖的<strong>1.62</strong>倍重</p>
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发表于 2006-10-17 18:34 | 只看该作者
技术高超(我说的是摄影)[em07]
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发表于 2006-10-17 19:27 | 只看该作者
<p>Francise兄的帖子要好好学习!</p><p>广西闹龙卷风灾害,上海闹水灾,水人百年我心动了很多次,只是一直没找到具有令自己满意品相的,所以还没入。</p>
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发表于 2006-10-17 20:04 | 只看该作者
照得真是好啊
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发表于 2006-10-17 22:44 | 只看该作者
笔尖稍往下弯在古董Pelikan上也出现,而且非常常见,疑为是让笔尖弹而不散(双叉过度发散)的一种物理处理方法。用古董Pelikan经过这样处理的笔尖写字有种韧感。
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发表于 2006-10-18 12:52 | 只看该作者
百年的笔尖是后配。
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发表于 2006-10-19 02:44 | 只看该作者
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">笔尖下弯是为了增加</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;"><font face="Times New Roman">”</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">弹性</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;"><font face="Times New Roman">”,</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">注意是</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;"><font face="Times New Roman">”</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">弹性</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;"><font face="Times New Roman">”(flex)</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">不是</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;"><font face="Times New Roman">”</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">软</span><font face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">”(soft)</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black;"><p></p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">要</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;"><font face="Times New Roman">”</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">软</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;"><font face="Times New Roman">”</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">减少</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;"><font face="Times New Roman">”</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">抗弯劲性</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;"><font face="Times New Roman">”</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">就够了</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black;"><p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">要</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;"><font face="Times New Roman">”</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">弹性</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;"><font face="Times New Roman">”</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">除了上面的</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">还要改变</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;"><font face="Times New Roman">”</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">造型</span><font face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">”</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black;"><p></p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black;"><p><font face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;</font></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">这日本人很不错</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;"><font face="Times New Roman">(</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">本身就是白金退休员工</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">做钢笔已数十年</span><font face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">)</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black;"><p></p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black;"><a href="http://www.nakaya.org/elastic_nib_450.jpg"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;"><font face="Times New Roman">http://www.nakaya.org/elastic_nib_450.jpg</font></span></a><p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black;"><a href="http://www.nakaya.org/elastic_nib_1.jpg"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;"><font face="Times New Roman">http://www.nakaya.org/elastic_nib_1.jpg</font></span></a><p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><font face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">http://www.nakaya.org/estub.html</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black;"><p></p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">自称研究了半年</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">成功率只有</span><font face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">15%</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black;"><p></p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">可见弹性笔尖没那么简单</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black;"><p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">若有人把笔尖侧面切窄</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">然后</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;"><font face="Times New Roman">”</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">自称</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;"><font face="Times New Roman">”</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">弄了个弹性笔尖</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">那简直就是笑话</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;"><font face="Times New Roman">!!</font></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black;"><p></p></span></p>
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发表于 2006-10-19 14:50 | 只看该作者
<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>francise</i>在2006-10-18 17:36:14的发言:</b><br/><p>哦?原配的应该是啥模样的?</p></div><p></p><p><img src="attachments/dvbbs/2006-10/2006101914493446434.jpg" border="0" onclick="zoom(this)" onload="if(this.width>document.body.clientWidth*0.5) {this.resized=true;this.width=document.body.clientWidth*0.5;this.style.cursor='pointer';} else {this.onclick=null}" alt="" /></p><p>这个是我的百年。</p><p>百年的笔尖都带有Hunderd year的字样。</p>
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发表于 2006-10-19 15:57 | 只看该作者
<p>也讲两句,笔尖有刻hundred year的,笔杆或笔帽必然也刻hundred year.我让给楼主的那支笔尖没刻hundred year,但笔杆也未刻hundred year.百年笔款式很多,我的理解,hundred year应同时出现在笔尖和笔杆上.我这还有一只残品,笔尖和笔帽同时刻有hundred year.所以不能说楼主这只笔尖不是原配的.龙,你那只笔杆有没刻hundred year?</p>
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 楼主| 发表于 2006-10-19 21:30 | 只看该作者
那么,这个是否可以理解为百年款式?
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发表于 2006-10-20 01:24 | 只看该作者
<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>盐汽水</i>在2006-10-19 15:57:52的发言:</b><br/><p>也讲两句,笔尖有刻hundred year的,笔杆或笔帽必然也刻hundred year.我让给楼主的那支笔尖没刻hundred year,但笔杆也未刻hundred year.百年笔款式很多,我的理解,hundred year应同时出现在笔尖和笔杆上.我这还有一只残品,笔尖和笔帽同时刻有hundred year.所以不能说楼主这只笔尖不是原配的.龙,你那只笔杆有没刻hundred year?</p></div><p></p><p>我的笔杆是没有hundred year字样的。我到目前见过的实物或资料笔尖一定是有hundred year字样的,没见过没有的。</p><p></p>
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发表于 2006-10-20 08:53 | 只看该作者
我的理解是水人只在百年笔中使用了鹰嘴尖.鹰嘴尖就是百年笔尖的代表词.就象51必然是暗包尖.

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